今天回来翻翻评论,看到唯二两篇长评清一色的五星,在这里整理了一些外网把我个人对此特辑的想法整理比较好的影评,以供大家参考。
1) trans community 对此的回应
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2021/oct/09/dave-chappelle-letter-trans-comedian-netflix
2) “Dave Chappelle can kiss my Black gay ass”
https://www.washingtonblade.com/2021/10/08/dave-chappelle-can-kiss-my-black-gay-ass/?__cf_chl_managed_tk__=pmd_v_AIvrVZSMTzpb6pIK9vz9sZ75YWczElvoielECeyQg-1634294459-0-gqNtZGzNA1CjcnBszRUl
3) 对cancel culture的探讨
What Goes Up: Dave Chappelle, Transphobi... pastemagazine.com
4)“the colour of queerness”
Column: What I want Dave Chappelle to un... latimes.com
5) 喜剧演员Hannah Gadsby对Netflix CEO 太极拳回应

6)10.28更新:看到了一个比较好的讨论这个特辑的油管视频
https://youtu.be/jiJQV378F5A
7) 貌似是dave自己的一个回应
https://youtu.be/rhtVszSdoXA
8)10.30更新: 前面那个油管主对展开事件的讨论
https://youtu.be/kDxv9yMNZow
9)Daphne的室友讲述此事件经过
https://www.transadvocate.com/why-i-support-cancelnetflix-its-not-because-chapelle-is-offensive_n_64606.htm
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以下是我自己的一些思考:
其实在喜剧里老老实实遵守所谓的“政治正确”的人从来不是多数人,随便去个喜剧俱乐部里面讲得东西能放得到台面上的也是少之又少。在此次特辑之前,我对Dave的观感也不是很差,无论是他行云流水的控场能力还是一层层掩埋好等待后续再一一解开的伏笔和笑梗,都是在一般表面以及平白直叙的单口喜剧界很新颖的。我自诩还算看过比较多的单口,Dave的冒犯三俗程度在我看来并不是在所有单口喜剧内的巅峰,虽然stick and stone 并不是我个人的GOAT,但我也能欣赏并被Dave的技巧所折服。
也正因如此,我几乎是在这部特辑刚出时就立刻观看了,彼时豆瓣不知为何连词条都无。我个人认为这部特辑拉的原因有三点,一是炒冷饭,二是不连贯,三是断章取义。
炒冷饭也许大家也能感受到。这部特辑无论是在节奏把握或是在内容选材上就是在炒冷饭,无论是Dave反复的把自己的以前的段子翻出来解释(真实意义上的炒冷饭),还是将以前讲过的元素,比如跨性别朋友的段子就曾出现在他以前某部特辑中,亦或是有些和Reddit上transphobic言论异常相像的段子,都透露着浓浓的似曾相识的味道。
不连贯这点在于整部喜剧的逻辑思维模式。单口喜剧往往是最没有逻辑(比如一些演员们跳跃性,金句式表演)甚至是意识流(提名Dylan Moran),但整体的人设(如果有的话)总归是有连续性的。Dave在此之前一直给我的观感为戏谑的,不拘小节的,有时愤世嫉俗但总体是睿智和尖利的。但这部特辑完完全全将这个印象打碎了,从“LBGTQ”开始我就意识到肯定又哪里不对,再到“I am team TERF”我已经完全懵了。作为一位对酷儿理论以及女权有一定了解的人,我当即的反应就是 “wtf are you talking about Dave”。诚然,这种人设崩塌的观感是非常个人的,每个人对Dave在台上的理解也不同,但我不能理解的是Dave对他自己讲过的笑话的斤斤计较,甚至这特辑的后半场完全就是一场“i am not transphobic because i have trans friend”的虚弱防守。我并不是没有看过“无知”的演员,Jim Jefferies也许是一个比较好的例子,他从不标榜自己是多么的看破世俗以及尖锐,甚至他会自己取笑自己的浅薄,这也使得他对政治的一些洞察更有一种“大智若愚”的感觉。但Dave 在此特辑中展现的是一种居高临下的说教,无论是惊奇状展现“The definition of feminist”还是对LGBTQ群体错误地转称—“LBGTQ”,都透露着一种门外汉的捉襟见肘,听到石墙运动的部分甚至颇有点大腹便便的异性恋中年男人向你解释“什么才是同性恋”的味道。再者就是整体表述的“同理心”主旨。抱歉Dave我真没感受到,假如说《Nannette》意图解构喜剧内核呼唤社会共情的话,此番简直是一场Dave本人没有意识到自己讽刺的讽刺剧。最显著的一点莫过于在大声激呼“Empathy is bisexual, it goes both way”之后,Dave拒绝使用mtf好友的人称代词亦或是其自认为的社会性别,以“Your father, he is a great women”作为结尾。让本人终于因为讽刺而在观看过程中唯一一次放声大笑。
由于本人也不住在漂亮国,对漂亮国的历史也不算太了解,年龄估计也不在Dave的目标观众内,最后经过几番研究才发现Dave在此特辑中有意的断章取义。在这里举两个例子。
1) 断章取义
“Why is it easier for Bruce Jenner to change his gender than for Cassius Clay to change his name?”


Because it has been 60 years?
2)Kevin Hart 主持Oscar 事件
A Complete Timeline of Kevin Hart's Osca... google.com.au
(很令人惊奇的是,在当事人都已经承认自己错误的时候,Dave断定是咱LBGTQ把可怜Kevin扯下台)
3)10. 30 更新:Daphne 室友讲述经过
大家自己评判一下,咱Dave是不是她朋友
https://www.transadvocate.com/why-i-support-cancelnetflix-its-not-because-chapelle-is-offensive_n_64606.htm
在这次特辑,将Daphne自杀事件表述为一种"为了为我说话"的结果,是不是脸皮有点厚??
以下是上面链接内Daphne 原室友的回应:
"People ask me if she killed herself because of Dave Chapelle (henceforth called DC) mentioning her in his 2019 special because she ended her life just one week after it came out. Daphne met DC at a comedy club while he was performing. He was telling controversial jokes, and she laughed because she always had a dark sense of humor. But Daphne never told racist jokes or punched down on groups of people. Instead, she used humor to heal from pain; she told self-deprecating jokes and used humor to educate people about trans issues. She never used humor to be hateful.
Before DC’s 2019 special, he really buttered her up, promising to mentor her and take her under his wings. I was suspicious of his antics and didn’t really appreciate his style of humor, but I was happy for Daphne if she was happy.
I watched part of DC’s 2019 special when it came out because Daphne was so excited for it, but I couldn’t even finish it because I felt like it was so offensive to different marginalized groups. But I didn’t want to criticize it because I knew Daphne was excited for the shoutout, even though the mention of her was so quick you could miss it.
Then after Daphne died, it was crickets from Dave Chapelle for months and years after it happened. When a group of her theatre/comedy friends threw a memorial for her in San Francisco, DC didn’t say anything. When her funeral in Pennsylvania happened a couple months later, DC’s team hadn’t reached out to her friends or family. When we planned another memorial for her in SF, we didn’t hear anything from his team. It was like if he said something about her, he would admit that he was responsible for her death.
I’m not going to say I know for sure 100% that Dave Chapelle making fun of Daphne in his 2019 special is what caused her death. I don’t think it was the leading cause, but who knows. Daphne had PTSD from a life of trauma, and she had battled suicidal thoughts for years. I think the final blow was a combination of her losing custody of her daughter, losing her job, and dealing with a lot of transphobic harassment on the streets of San Francisco. I lived with her, and yet I didn’t know how bad she was feeling.
I heard from a friend that Dave Chapelle mentioned her last year in a stand-up comedy routine, and he said how he let her open for one of his stand-up routines but that she “bombed it.” For him to patronize her, demean her, and minimize her talent AFTER her death is cruel and crass. For him to invoke her name as a free pass to continue being transphobic is beyond fucked up.
In the latest Netflix special, he starts his piece about trans people with “I’m not saying trans women aren’t women” but then calls trans vaginas “beyond pussy”. And he says he is a TERF and describes himself as transphobic MULTIPLE TIMES. He mentioned the story of when he met Daphne and when he invited her to open for him. He said that he didn’t know she was an amateur. He says she was dressed well for the performance and admitted, “I’m transphobic, and even I think she looked nice.” OKAY, TELL US HOW YOU REALLY FEEL.
“This bitch bombed for 45 min straight… that show was terrible… but here’s what impressed me… Any other comedian I’ve ever seen, if they bombed as bad as she did, would have snuck out of the theater and gone on home and cried. But she found a seat right in front… she laughed hard like (she didn’t bomb). She was talking to me while I was performing like she was watching the TV alone, but the crowd didn’t like that shit because she sucked….”
And then Daphne told a joke to a heckler, and then they went back and forth and told jokes. DC speaks about a touching moment they had together, but then he says her performance “stunk” again. That’s what 4 times he said she wasn’t funny?! This is how you speak about your dead “friend”? Then he [suddenly] realized she was funny after the performance because she genuinely interacted with the audience. After the show, he said when she hugged him, he pushed her off violently because “I’m transphobic.”
DC: “My friend Daphne killed herself…She identifies as a woman _____[Then he describes how she killed herself],___ clearly only a man would do some gangster shit like that!”
I don’t even know how he found that out because her friends and family didn’t say that publicly. After all, IT’S PRIVATE AND PAINFUL! And beyond that, studies have shown that mentioning how people kill themselves only causes more suicides. But Dave doesn’t care.
He continues..“As hard as it is to hear a joke like that, Daphne would have loved that joke” Maybe she would, maybe she wouldn’t, but SHE KILLED HERSELF AND CAN’T DEFEND HERSELF ANYMORE! He goes on to say, “I don’t know what the trans community did for her, and I don’t care because she was my tribe.”
He says Daphne killed herself because trans people were criticizing her on Twitter… So he’s blaming trans people for causing her death? WTF. That’s some next-level victim-blaming and gaslighting.
He ends his mockery of her by saying he wants to tell Daphne’s daughter, “I knew your father, and HE was a wonderful woman.”
Dave Chapelle doesn’t give a fuck about trans people. He deliberately goes out of his way to make fun of us, even making fun of his alleged friend AFTER her death.
If you are reading this and made it this far, please take a moment to ask Netflix to remove this hateful special. Not because it might offend trans people, but because it might inspire more people to end their life.
Daphne Dorman deserved better."
是谁不听谁说话?是谁是这件事情的受害者?
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最后,我想说,你当然有喜欢这部特辑的权利,从现在的豆瓣评分以及imdb评分来看大部分人并没有觉得这部特辑哪里有问题。这篇长评也不是为了指责或者是cancel Dave本人或者其粉丝。
我只是觉得惊讶,一位在一次次阐述美国黑人困境的,企图揭露种族歧视事实的人,会对另一部分少数群体境况如此的冷漠与无知。
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